AID TO LIFE!
I have not previously had the opportunity to join a department where are still cared for the disabled, very serious, as did the poor who live Luana. They need everything from food assistance to evacuate, do not speak and do not understand (hopefully). Well I got to watch them, one by one can not deny that I have wet eyes. Also moved by seeing the abnnegazione of the people who worked there must be a high sense of humanity and were happy with their work. This department is not a mystery belongs to the Italian Red Cross of Rome called "Peter Pan". I wish that everyone, from first to last an Italian citizen, once, at least once in their life and like to visit a department were aware of reality. To the members of this post, I would say to make a thought: go to the mentioned place and remove all and then tell me how you feel. Certain situations we must live them! They are for life, death is the only referee to decidre.L 'help should be given for life and not death. I do not understand the father of Luana. If the sisters if they want to occupy amorevolmnte, what's the problem? I would not wish the matter had become a nuisance.
comment posted 11/14/2008 at 21:42 by GIORGIO CALENDAR
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GIORGIO CALENDAR
"I am the life, death is the only referee to decidre.L 'help should be given for life and not death. I do not understand the father of Luana. If the sisters if they want occupy amorevolmnte, what's the problem? I would not wish the matter had become a nuisance. "
I hope you can find the ability to understand the words you have written sooner or later ...
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No comments serials, thanks
Drafting
1) Mr. Peppino Englaro, yesterday, has not acquired the right to kill his daughter, he restored with his battle civil right to life Eluana. restored stress. Eluana would not want a life like this and they say the people who most loved her before the accident.
2) you Mr. George and many others who feel the same way violated his the most basic principles of democracy: you look for your freedom to impose your ideas, but with a very arrogant attitude, you realize that violated the freedom of others to determine one's person.
3) Read the full ruling explains the situation very well: only biologically Eluana is alive and must be respected and his conception of life he had before the incident. This was done by his father.
4) Do not blame Peppino Englaro he has not decided which is better than his daughter die and can not do under the law. He can only act as a tutor for the interest of his daughter according to his will or his conception of life.
5) This point has nothing to do with this case, but it seems only right to express it. more ...
comment posted at 11/14/2008 22:29 by Federico Galdy
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GIORGIO CALENDAR
Part 2 continues
I believe life should be lived in all its forms and with all the ingredients that are truly life: pain, joy, love.
Eluana can neither give nor receive these things, is active practically only its metabolism.
For a person under these circumstances what was wrong with death? What do you have so mortally afraid of? You can not point only to avert the death should be to focus on quality of life. (Eluana far as I could learn understood) is to be hoped in medicine affiche a solution for these people, you can not take stupid positions must be brave and change for the better.
The church refuses to even the use of stem cells that may be the only way for those who have these problems, which was compared against those who are ill and need for this care? Do you worry you safeguard of insignificant cells, at that stage, which could be used as a possible life-saving and to give hope to the people. But how ethical is that?
a gift God has given us our intelligence and not use it for good means not to respect it.
comment posted at 11/14/2008 22:48 by Federico Galdy
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GALDY FEDERICO 22.29
of Voltaire, while not sharing, that would kill rather than prevent another to express their opinion. I'm not saying you should think about the federico like me, but I hope to have the same ability to comprehend. Do not censor the opinions of others and she would take her. The blob and open to all and believe me, do not be so presumptuous of us to consider intrusive. I will not go into the merits of his views, which also do not agree because, I repeat: they are for life! Going to kill you, do not you think that others should do. Regards.
comment posted 11/14/2008 at 23:44 by GIORGIO CALENDAR
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@ Galdy Federico
Cito with copy and paste:
".. We are concerned about protecting the cells meaningless .."
Yeah, those cells that we were all insignificant, and that no one decided to kill in order to encourage those who were born before us ...
I could explain many things, from the fact that for us' embione is inviolable, and that we are not at all opposed to research on "stem cells" from adult to those from the umbilical cord, which are for the benefit of the research done 'man, but not at the cost of another man, that when certain human beings called "monsters" we had Cottolengo, but I think it would be a waste of breath ...
After all, we are not "ethical" right?
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 00:46 by DAGO
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DAGO
Remember the referendum qualke years ago. Embryonic stem cells could be obtained from blatocisti that were not used in artificial insemination, you also do not have the opportunity to choose between sick and healthy embryos. What happens in the case that both exclude and repudiated the theory of evolution in this context you feel worthy of appreciation x protect the suffering of others? Virtually blastocysts were not created for research but were exploited what was intended, and are still, to become organic waste. Last thing
before defining a mass of 100 150 Men cells inquire about these cs are 150 cells, again, use your intelligence, not ideologies that someone thinks brainwashed by speeches devoid of morals and love for true life. X
George Calandra
You're right that Voltaire would kill for the free expression of ideas of others. It 's true I his idea I just can not respect her, but she does not give others the opportunity to express their will and try to limit this by a law. I hope I can figure out what is the worst. She does not think like me, fine, is free to follow his own will, but do not try to impose it on others.
Eluana and other like her you care very little that is the truth. You do not know the best thing to distinguish between metabolism and the will to live in a certain contempt modo.Siete lovers.
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 12:38 by Federico Galdy
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Galdi federico
know things 'a democratic state? think its not, a just state must defend the most' vulnerable children as the elderly and the sick, and at this time Eluana a living person and helpless and it is strong to defend it from people such as judges and as people in this forum, so you hold on to what you said and made a heart transplant that you and your 'frozen, with edi many in this forum
comment posted 11/15/2008 at 12:40 by red
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red
12:40 It seems that you have an idea but a little confused of what a democratic state, in this case the secular.
Secular means that there will 'certainly not the faith of anyone to dictate the laws for others. As for the "democratic" I see that your concept of who seems to want to defend you, to fulfill your-chiamialola-consciousness, in defiance of the courts and who does not think like you, and 'pathetic.
Simply put your concept of democracy means not to respect the decisions when you are not comfortable, it obviously the views of others. Instead of "democracy" would suggest some other noun ...
Other than heart transplant, here you need a brain transplant. Unfortunately we do not know what to do.
Thank You "Galdy Federico." Every now and 'nice to see that some neuron-functional in Italy still there'.
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 16:28 by JJames
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red
I am the person whose heart is frozen? But an examination of conscience you do it? But what's behind your words? You talked about murder, euthanasia who is doing these things? those who are running? You speak without knowing the facts. Read the sentence of Cassation.
claim to keep attached to a person who lives according to nature should be already dead. But what could be more unnatural? Again it is not Mr. Englaro Peppino decides to kill her daughter and nobody can do it, dad can only act in the interests of the child as guardian. The interest of this child was and no one can criticize this decision, myself included. Peppino Englaro should be thanked because he won a battle of civilizations.
Eluana will not suffer hunger or thirst, Eluana can not feel anything. It 'has just been amply demonstrated active metabolic activities. Ficcatevelo head. If Eluana did not receive medication, which to allow normal blood circulation and regulating other biological factors, should the amputated body gradually by the wounds of ulcers. Medicine has the task of removing the death when there is the possibility of saving a life, Eluana there is no remedy, no solution, there is hope that it will buy back the slightest use.
medicine can not replace God only because he has reached the targets, especially when they are useless.
comment posted at 15/11/2008 16:41 by Federico Galdy
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for GALDY FRANCIS ...
............ dad can only act the interest of the child as guardian ............ Peppino Englaro should be thanked because he won a battle of civilizations. .................. 16:41 by Federico Galdy .....
Why not pay him to remove the feeding tube now that he has authority? Aurelio
Lorenzini
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 19:49 by Aurelio Lorenzini
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Galdi federico xjjames
and you're wrong meduci are the god and he guides them and if Eluana is alive and thank God not in medicine, everything that happens good and evil and god who wants it, and he who decides and decided, because the nuns will take care Eluana 'And the will' of God, not you or the judges or the father or whoever, then I'm sorry you do not have the frozen heart, there you have it your heart that things' nature? That without equipment and probe already 'would die? and those who say that everything' and by god to test also people like you, god every day brings us to the test, and this is the result, if there were no people living with bodies of other human beings, and who are the judges human beings with strengths and weaknesses as infallible and all
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 21:34 by red
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enough mo ...
been exaggerated without realizing the stupid things it disappears.
Your words are tinged with stupidity. God does not guide the destiny of man just learn to read in order to learn from his Word.
God does not guide the doctors as not driving the judges. Mr. Rosso you try to read the letters of St. Paul there are some line where he says that the foolishness of God is greater than human intelligence, so I do not think you can give explanations about the behavior of God so they less common.
So if you want to compare opinions on things that hold you up as well, but do not make me nervous with your little depth of thought.
in regard to organ donation, obtain information on the positions of the church before you bring up other crap. good evening!
comment posted 15/11/2008 at 22:19 by GALDY FEDERICO.
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for GALDY FRANCIS ... Dear
sig.Galdi,
are not authorized to give licenses to anyone, if you think I can do it in a story simile.Il my thinking is clear and I repeat (you probably did not read my posts in other forums on the subject) . The
sig.Englaro leads the battle to respect the wish of her daughter, no one denies it to him ... If you have always firmly believed that he did "suffer" for 16 years, the daughter of SOUL, WHY 'has not taken responsibility to take it home immediately and not to make food? Who told you prevented? ... And even if this were to happen ... I would have made materially against the whole world so as not to hurt my daughter!
Today got what he wanted ... him coming off the tube ... we are still asking who, where, how, will Quando.lo: no more suffering? ... But even so it's just a body .. (morto! ?!)... days more or less so that changes!
I could be with his father ... if he does not come off the "plug" ... I will never understand it either .. I want to understand! Aurelio
Lorenzini
PSCattolico Catholic or not, to me, on has nothing to do: I make my remarks by his father and grandfather!
comment posted 16/11/2008 at 12:38 by Aurelio Lorenzini
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Mr. Aurelio address some clarifications: first
) I name is Francis.
2a) no one can decide the fate of a person not even the legal representative, that: he could not take it home, he could not decide not to nourish it and could not escape to care.
third) the permanent vegetative state, according to law, can be diagnosed (I hope not to have missed the deadline) after one year for adults and after three months for children who remain in the conditions of Eluana.
4a) Unfortunately it still right that we ask ourselves who, when and where, but not the fault of Mr. Englaro is the fault of people who do not respect the rights of other obstacles. As the Lombardy region that has denied the facilities, which I do not think morally and legally correct.
comment posted 16/11/2008 at 21:25 by Federico Galdy
for GALDY FRANCIS ... Dear
sig.Galdi,
are not authorized to give licenses to anyone, if you think I can do it in a story simile.Il my thinking is clear and I repeat (you probably did not read my posts in other forums on the subject) . The
sig.Englaro leads the battle to respect the wish of her daughter, no one denies it to him ... If you have always firmly believed that he did "suffer" for 16 years, the daughter of SOUL, WHY 'has not taken responsibility to take it home immediately and not to make food? Who told you prevented? ... And even if this were to happen ... I would have made materially against the whole world so as not to hurt my daughter!
Today got what he wanted ... him coming off the tube ... we are still asking who, where, how, will Quando.lo: no more suffering? ... But even so it's just a body .. (morto! ?!)... days more or less so that changes!
I could be with his father ... if he does not come off the "plug" ... I will never understand it either .. I want to understand! Aurelio
Lorenzini
PSCattolico Catholic or not, to me, on has nothing to do: I make my remarks by his father and grandfather!
comment posted 16/11/2008 at 12:38 by Aurelio Lorenzini
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Mr. Aurelio address some clarifications: first
) I name is Francis.
2a) no one can decide the fate of a person not even the legal representative, that: he could not take it home, he could not decide not to nourish it and could not escape to care.
third) the permanent vegetative state, according to law, can be diagnosed (I hope not to have missed the deadline) after one year for adults and after three months for children who remain in the conditions of Eluana.
4a) Unfortunately it still right that we ask ourselves who, when and where, but not the fault of Mr. Englaro is the fault of people who do not respect the rights of other obstacles. As the Lombardy region that has denied the facilities, which I do not think morally and legally correct.
comment posted 16/11/2008 at 21:25 by Federico Galdy
PS: today's church leaders also urged the politicians to make a move to be made a law that protects patient choice in result of treatment which wants to undergo.
The pope also called on science to have balance between persistence and withdrawal of care.
enclose the ruling of the Supreme Court taken from the site of the Republic and the interview given by the Bishop to Casale Il Messaggero:
Judgement of the Supreme Court
Interview:
'CITY' OF VATICAN CITY (Nov. 15) - Charity, understanding, piety. These words are repeated over and over again thinking Eluana. Monsignor Giuseppe Casale, born in 1923, former archbishop of Foggia is a lone voice that, with courage, he prefers to stop before the great mystery of death. sheepdog he refuses to make judgments of convictions. "Confronted with this great mystery we all have more respect and attention. Above all, leave the possibility for interested parties to decide in a clear and peaceful. "
So she is in favor of living wills?
" Yes, no doubt. I am for a full life. If a person is forced permanent vegetative state, only that there rages on life. Eluana lives because fed artificially. His is a life reduced to a minimum, not a full life, is the physiological. "
But it is always life.
"I wonder and ask myself, before such cases can one speak of human life, meaning life full of relationships? We know that there are seriously ill, serious, on the contrary that may interact, be heard and to feel, respond, love, sensitivity have here, this is still life for me, otherwise you could just talk a vegetative state. I can understand, approaching with Christian piety, the decision of a parent before a child in that state. "
you question the aggressive treatment?
"I just look at all the fuss, the usual battle between the Guelphs and Ghibellines, effectively prevents calm reflection, which in Italy would be important. Instead, you fight to the end and, unfortunately, we lose sight of one important aspect: that artificial feeding, such as that given by doctors to patients in persistent vegetative state, is a form of aggressive, if you remove the causes of death. Therefore, perhaps, can no longer talk about euthanasia. I think we should define the problem as soon as the living will, which wills to live. " What would you say to Mr.
Englaro, if he dzavanti?
"I embraced him, I would get the share with which, at a distance, I accompanied spiritually in this ordeal, since the start of the illness of the girl, until the next tragedy. My hope is that they can get peace and serenity, for Eluana for him. I will pray for them. " Remove
nutrition and hydration is not euthanasia?
"In this case feeding and hydration can equate to an aggressive treatment. And anyway, when there is a consensus at the base. I mean that the father knew what he wanted his daughter the same. " She would use
to very specific provisions should they be in conditions similar to those of Eluana?
"Certainly. For a person who believes, and I believe in God almighty, the end of life is not "the end" but the switch from one condition to another. For a Christian is not the death total. If I found myself in a similar situation, I would not force-feed me with the machines. We continue to do battle for life, as if death was the end of the earth person, and instead opens up a new life. "
decidedly against the grain.
"I believe in the immortality of the soul and the resurrection of the body. I do not know what the Lord is in store for me, but not I no fury. I just hope I get next to me loved ones to be assigned to words of hope, knowing that we will review in the Lord. We continue to make a gross error ...».
mean?
'Seeing the death and serious illness with the eye of the art, as we draw near to our off as a transition, then as a danger, a cleaver. "Franca Giansoldati.
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